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Paul writing to and instructing the church of the baptized, (those living obedience to the faith in the sacramental life with bishops, priests, and deacons), explained that it is better to prophecy  than to speak in tongues because prophecy edifies the universal/ Catholic Church? He that speaketh in a tongue, edifieth himself: but he that prophesieth, edifieth the church. 1 Cor 14:4 I think that a large majority of the ( so called) speaking in tongues is emotionalism; kind of a group psychosis through desire. From the beginning of Christianity the understanding of speaking in tongues meant the gift to communicate to other cultures in order to evangelize, spread the faith, and establish churches of the one faith that came into being at Pentecost through the Holy Spirit. 6And when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded in mind, because that every man heard them speak in his own tongue. 7And they were all amazed, and wondered, saying: Behold, are not all these that speak Galilean? 8And how have we heard, every man our own tongue wherein we were born? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and inhabitants of Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, 11Jews also, and proselytes, Cretes, and Arabians: we have heard them speak in our own tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:6 The speaking in  tongues to those who knew the language was to edify and grow the one sacramental church established by God. At the council of Jerusalem James saw the prophecy of Amos fulfilled. He was present at an authoritative council which made decisions through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Here through the power of the keys Peter wiped out 1300 years of Mosaic Law when he declared that both Jews and Gentiles are saved by grace not Mosaic Law. To which James the bishop of the diocese of Jerusalem responded: 14Simon hath related how God first visited to take to the Gentiles, a people to his name. 15And to this agree the words of the prophets, as it is written: 16After these things I will return and will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down: and the ruins thereof I will rebuild. And I will set it up: 17That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all nations upon whom my name is invoked, saith the Lord, who doth these things. Acts 15:14 James understood that God fulfilled the prophecy, reestablishing the Kingdom of David as a Catholic Church of both Jews and Gentiles. It was to this church that Paul explained that the speaking and interpretation of tongues is to edify. Jesus would never have  given Peter the symbolic keys ( in the Old Covenant the keys established the authority of interpretation of the Torah and dynastic succession of the kingdom) of binding and losing unless he was reestablishing the Kingdom of David. “ I will be my church “ Paul called the reestablished Kingdom of David Mount Sion ( Hb 12:22) showing us the prophecy fulfilled in which we will go to the Mountain of the Lord in order to learn the ways of God.( Isaiah 2:3) He called the reestablished Kingdom of David the Church, the pillar and foundation of truth.( 1 Timothy 3:15) He taught that the manifold wisdom of God may be made known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church.( Eph 3:10) To this same church God tells you, “ if they do not listen to even the church treat them as heathens and publicans.”( Mt 18:17) Why? Because the church is spiritually Christ Himself. Him, who knew no sin, he hath made sin for us, that we might be made the justice of God in him. 2 Cor 5:21 And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him: Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? Acts 9:4 When Paul said: Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you. Hb 13:17 He would never have done so to a Protestant church. He is only referring to obeying the prelates ( bishops) of the one church, of one doctrine, the breaking of the bread and the prayers ( From the beginning the breaking of the bread was always understood to be the Holy Mass) the church that is the reestablished Kingdom of David, Mount Sion, the pillar and foundation of truth that teaches the angels the manifold wisdom of God. The church that lived from the beginning the sacramental life in obedience to the faith as the narrow road against Satan’s preternatural deceptions. Baptism Matt 3:13-17; John 3:5,22; Matt 28:19; 1 Peter 3:18-22; Titus 3:5; Luke 3:3; Gal 3:27; Mark 16:16; Acts 22:16; Acts 2:38-39; Rom 6:3-5; Luke 7:30 Penance John 20:22-23; Matt 16:18-19; Matt 18:18; 2 Cor 5:17-20; Luke 15:11-32 Eucharist Mark 14:22-25; Matt 26:26; 1 Cor 11:23-30; John 6:4, 51-68; Heb 10:25-31 Confirmation Acts 8:14-17; Heb 6:1-2; Matt 10:32-33; Acts 19:1; Acts 2:1-4 Marriage Gen 1:27-28; Gen 2:21-24; Eph 5:25, 31-32; Heb 13:4; John 2:1-12 Holy Orders Acts 2:1-4; Acts 1:21-26; Luke 24:44-51; 2Tim 1:6; Tim 4:14; Tim 5:22 Anointing of the Sick James 5:14-15; Mark 6:13 This is the church that was given the gift of speaking in tongues so that it could spread the truth to all cultures of all languages. As Christianity spread through out the pagan world, it went from paganism to Catholicism. As Christianity spread throughout the world the  Catholic Church translated scripture into the different languages of the people it evangelized. It was to the Catholic Church born at Pentecost that the Holy Spirit gave the gift of tongues and interpretation of tongues to. From the teaching of the apostles Syriac we read: And, whilst Simon Cephas was saying these things to his fellow-apostles, and putting them m remembrance, a mysterious voice was heard by them, and a sweet odour, which was strange to the world, breathed upon them; and tongues of fire, between the voice and the odour, came down from heaven towards them, and alighted and sat on every one of them; and, according to the tongue which every one of them had severally received, so did he prepare himself to go to the country in which that tongue was spoken and heard. And, by the same gift of the Spirit which was given to them on that day, they appointed Ordinances and Laws--such as were in accordance with the Gospel of their preaching, and with the true and faithful doctrine of their teaching:--

Through the great commission much of the world went from paganism to Catholicism, not paganism to Protestantism. The early church taught that Satan created paganism to keep people from Catholic truth. The best lie is built up in half truths. By making Paganism similar to Catholicism, Satan uses people's egos against them. He has preternatural intelligence. You are not going to match wits against him so God established the narrow road of obedience to the faith in the sacramental life as tools against his deceptions. Humility is the greatest defense against Satan's deceptions. As soon as faith alone and scripture alone were established, Christianity began to divide exponentially. It began to separate from the narrow road. Calvin and Luther even though they created much of the division spoke out against the division. Both would also call born again separated from baptism heresy. When faith alone and scripture alone begin to take hold, the images of faith that were created by these false doctrines moved people’s beliefs farther and farther away from what the apostles taught their disciples. The disciples of the apostles lived the Catholic faith. Either the apostles lied to their disciples or God established the Catholic faith. People believe their image of faith is true most often due to environmental influences including what can be seen as a construct of Christianity created by man formed through anti Catholicism. The feeling of Love Christ gives combined with a Protestant tradition of false exegesis established to separate people from the original church creates almost an impenetrable wall when it comes to being able to find truth. Yet outside of the pillar and foundation of truth, the Holy Spirit is primarily a manifestation of Gods love not an affirmation of Gods truth. If this were not true then everyone would have the same faith as the disciples of the apostles who lived the Catholic faith. At the beginning of Christianity God gave the apostles the gift of toungues so that they could go out and teach the faith to those of many different languages. As the apostles and their disciples went out into the known world, the known world went from paganism to Catholicism. It was the blood of Catholic martyrs that spread the truth through the known world. The first bishop of Berea and every one after, was a Catholic bishop. Books of the Bible were put out by the church in multiple languages before the Bible was established. The first in historical records  to tell us there were gospels was a Catholic named Justin in his first apology of 150 AD. The same Justin who taught in his letter to Trypho the Jew that the Sabbath  was created  specifically  for  the  Jews due to their transgressions said in his First Apology, our bodies when we partake of the Eucharist go through transmutation becoming flesh of Christ s glorified flesh. The same Justin who said that the fact the Eucharist is now spread through out the world shows that it is pleasing to God ( Malachi 1:11) The same Justin  described the necessity of water baptism saying it destroyed original sin calling it regeneration and being born again. He explained that you cannot receive  the Eucharist  until you are regenerated  in baptism  and have been  instructed in the faith. He  taught that Satan created paganism to keep humanity from Catholic truth. The First one to tell us there were 4 gospels  was  a Catholic named Irenaeus ( Disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of John the apostle ) he believed in the authority of the church as God's authority  on earth. He taught that all of Christianity is to be united to the church at Rome in order to keep the true faith.He believed that Mary was the true Eve mother of all the living and the true Ark of the covenant. He taught that the Mass was a sacrifice. .. The scriptures were protected and  re produced in many different  languages  by  those who believed the same as Justin  and Irenaeus  through  persecution  and book burnings until  those who  believed  the same through  the  guidance  of  the  Holy  Spirit  ( I will not leave you orphans) decided  exactly  which scriptures  would compose the New Testament  at the councils  of  Hippo, Carthage, and Rome. Due to this fork in the road of faith alone and scripture alone which man created while in fallen nature, and time itself, modern Protestantism does not only look different from the faith of the early church and first martyrs but it is worlds apart from it. This is the elephant in the room that will never go away no matter the debate or how much people choose to try and discredit history . It will always be in the background and will always have to be rationalized away therefore as it is rationalized away people will have to choose to separate from truth revealed. The most important aspect of the Christianity God established is what created the general redemption of the world. This is the Holy Mass before the Father through our one mediator and high priest of this true Passover, Jesus Christ. This is where we offer prayer, supplication, intercession, and thanksgiving ( Eucharistasis) for all men. ( 1 Tim 2:1-5) What brings you closer to the Eucharist is of God, what pushes you away cannot be. Modern Protestantism is evolving into a New Age spiritualism completely void of obedience to the faith in the sacramental life. It removes the focus on what is truly holy and creates a religion of temporal emotionalism that with many people, is always looking for the next high of confirmation. " This is my body." " For as often as you shall eat this bread and drink this cup, you will show the death of the Lord until He comes again." It looks worlds apart from the early church. Satan can create false prophecies in people's minds that contain parts that are truth. Satan can come as an angel of light and even perform what appears to be miracles of healing, Satan can have his demons leave peoples bodies in order to create the confusion, using those who are far from the path of the true faith to make them think they are casting out demons. He will do this to do everything in his power to keep people from the Eucharist. 1. Calvin thought that the Church had the power of excommunication: “The Church binds him whom she excommunicates, not by plunging him into eternal ruin and despair, but condemning his life and manners, and admonishing him, that, unless he repent, he is condemned.” (Institutes, IV, 11:2) 2. Calvin believed that there was no salvation outside the Church: “Beyond the pale of the Church no forgiveness of sins, no salvation, can be hoped for, . . .” (IV, 1:4) 3. Calvin thought weekly Holy Communion was the minimum frequency: “The sacrament might be celebrated in the most becoming manner, if it were dispensed to the Church very frequently, at least once a-week.” (IV, 17:43) 4. Calvin believed in the primacy of St. Peter, as leader of the apostles: “There is no senate without a consul, no bench of judges without a president or chancellor, no college without a provost, no company without a master. Thus there would be no absurdity were we to confess that the apostles had conferred such a primacy on Peter.” (IV, 6:8) 5. Calvin accepted the primacy of the Roman Church in early Christian history: “I deny not that the early Christians uniformly give high honour to the Roman Church, and speak of it with reverence. . . . [it] adhered more firmly to the doctrine once delivered, . . .” (IV, 6:16) 6. Calvin believed in the indefectibility of the Church: “I always hold that the truth does not perish in the Church . . .” (IV, 9:13) 7. Calvin utterly detested denominations and sectarianism: “Hence the Church is called Catholic or Universal (August. Ep. 48), for two or three cannot be invented without dividing Christ; and this is impossible. All the elect of God are so joined together in Christ, that as they depend on one head, . . .” (IV, 1:2) 8. Calvin thought that sacraments produce real, beneficial effects: “They, by sealing it to us, sustain, nourish, confirm, and increase our faith.” (IV, 14:7) / “That sacred communion of flesh and blood by which Christ transfuses his life into us, just as if it penetrated our bones and marrow, . . .” (IV, 17:10) 9. Calvin taught that there was such a thing as a holy, sacred place: “God . . . descend[s] to us, that he may be near to us, and yet neither change his place nor affect us by earthly means, but rather, . . . raise us aloft to his own heavenly glory, . . .” (IV, 1:5) 10. Calvin believed that human beings could be distributors or mediators of salvation: “In several passages he [St. Paul] . . . attributes to himself the province of bestowing salvation (1 Cor. 3:9).” (IV, 1:6) 11. Calvin seemingly accepted the notion of baptismal regeneration: “. . . forgiveness, which at our first regeneration we receive by baptism alone . . . we are washed from our sins by the blood of Christ.” (IV, 15:4) 12. Calvin approved of bodily mortification as spiritually beneficial: “In like manner, therefore, as persons accused were anciently wont, . . . to humble themselves suppliantly with . . . coarse garments, . . . weeping and fasting, and the like, undoubtedly belong, in an equal degree, to our age, whenever the condition of our affairs so requires.” (IV, 12:17) 13. Calvin believed that there was a profound causal connection between Holy Eucharist and salvation: “Nay, the very flesh in which he resides he makes vivifying to us, that by partaking of it we may feed for immortality. . . . by this food believers are reared to eternal life.” (IV, 17:8) / “. . . the food of eternal life.” (IV, 17:19) / “. . . secures the immortality of our flesh, . . .” (IV, 17:32) 14. Calvin held that contraception was gravely sinful: “It is a horrible thing to pour out seed besides the intercourse of man and woman. Deliberately avoiding the intercourse, so that the seed drops on the ground, is double horrible. For this means that one quenches the hope of his family, and kills the son, which could be expected, before he is born. This wickedness is now as severely as is possible condemned by the Spirit, through Moses, that Onan, as it were, through a violent and untimely birth, tore away the seed of his brother out the womb, and as cruel as shamefully has thrown on the earth. Moreover he thus has, as much as was in his power, tried to destroy a part of the human race. When a woman in some way drives away the seed out the womb, through aids, then this is rightly seen as an unforgivable crime.” (Commentary on Genesis [38:10], translated by John King) 15. Calvin accepted the Catholic and scriptural belief of the perpetual virginity of Mary: “[On Matthew 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called ‘first-born’; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation.” (Harmony of Matthew, Mark & Luke, Geneva, 1562, Vol. I, p. 107; from Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949) List of Calvin's beliefs taken from Dave Armstrongs manuscript on Catholic Register. https://www.ncregister.com/blog/john-calvins-15-surprisingly-catholic-views?fbclid=IwAR35oDKnXps615EpoOMSxhQQ3u5bphr-vZj5ZD57ckWKy40reTpCZ_9Fxmw&mibextid=Zxz2cZ 2000 years ago God established His sacramental church, for among other things, to create helps against our fallen nature. 1500 years later, man created faith alone and scripture alone, in fallen nature. Luther said Satan praised him for his creation of faith alone and hated the communion of saints and the Mass.

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There is a feeling of justice when good triumphs over evil, when truth triumphs over lies and heresy, when the right way of doing things triumphs over theft. This week, we are savoring one of those moments. In Blogtalkradio's weekly category rankings of archived episodes, T4P's most popular episode sits on page 1, in the 9th position. For us to have accomplished this in only 5 weeks, with less than 35 episodes is a testament to the whole T4P team, the investment of time and treasure, our superior hosts, guests, sound quality and production quality. It also speaks to the superior quality of our material and content. Let me repeat that...our material and content. Unlike the miscreants I used to associate with, T4P is only using audio we have licensed, images available as part of our paid platforms or licensed, and original content we create ourselves. The only exceptions are clips and citations used to make a case, in which these are credited and allowed under the fair use provision of copyright law. The other site is associated with published and pending books and has thus operated in a for-profit mode. We, on the other hand, are a registered 501 C3 and operate for the Church's gain, not our own selfish ambition. If this other site were to ever be so foolish as to try and monetize (for profit or not), they would be in a lot of legal trouble. Why? Plagiarism. Simply put, nearly everything this site is putting out is plagiarized. The image above is just one clear example. The Catholic pretender's MOS is to literally lift other people's images, copy and paste other people's text and play other people's licensed music without any proper credit given to the author. That is a crime and, on a monetized site, every single one of those people can seek and collect damages. I will just give you 3 examples and then move on. Example 1. BLOGTALK RADIO SHOW Click and listen from 1:21 to 2:41 and you will hear the actual audio soundtrack to the introduction of EWTN's Daily Mass. At no point is it even mentioned that this came from EWTN. They repeat this direct plagiarism literally hundreds of times over the past several years. Example 2. This website steals literally every single image it includes on every single article it posts but they really outdid themselves on this one. Shutterstock is a paid service that charges for licensed images and protects them from theft by brandishing the Shutterstock logo across them. He literally stole an image here with the logo on it. This is a crime. It is copyright theft. Example 3. Theft of other people's words. In addition to the example cited earlier, check this one out. There he is, Donald Hartley, the Catholic Pretender himself, pasting his picture and caption with the words explaining the purpose of Deeper Truth and why he founded it. Only 2 problems. He didn't found it (or even co-found it). I did. I founded Deeper Truth in May of 2009 and didn't even meet him and ask him to join until nearly a year and a half later. Those words? Those aren't his either. They are mine. He lifted them verbatim and claimed them as his own. This is why, in 5 weeks, we have been able to defeat his show that is now 14 years old. Donald Hartley has no credibility because he has no principles. He will do literally anything to bolster his own image even lie and steal. These are the facts and they sadden me because I once counted him among my friends. People recognize what a fraud he is and that's why his online empire is cratering. Make no mistake, T4P will never let you down in this way. If Deeper Truth tries to monetize, we will sue them in court for unauthorized us of our material and, trust me. We won't be the only ones. What is coming We are overcoming the technical hurdles to get our donation platform in place. T4P will operate as a non-profit, using a combination of donations and grants, commercial sales and online sales to pay the bills. Our People and programs are second to none and we can now reveal our regular lineup. On Sundays at 5 PM Eastern, we will have the Catholicism Rocks show as part of our partnership with the website of the same now. Mondays and Wednesdays at 7 PM will be yours truly and a variety of topics and high-profile guests on The 4 Persons show Tuesdays at 7 PM it is The Tangled Mess with renowned therapist Deb Rojas Thursdays at 7, it is the Uncounseling show with Dr Fred Boley. Fridays at 7, Catholic Apologist Luke Haskell is our host. Saturdays at 12 NOON Eastern, It's Apologist William Hemsworth with the burnt toast and coffee show Saturday night at 7 PM (8 PM this week), it is Terry Delp and Taking it to the Street. Greater things to come. Our content will be unmatched and so will our integrity.

It's Protestants that did not heed Peter our first pope's warning. Do you think you can outsmart Satan? Why did Peter say there are things in Paul’s letters hard to understand? 5And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation: as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction 2 Peter 3 It’s obvious to Catholics why. Before Paul’s conversion he was a Pharisee. He was a Jewish lawyer and understood like a Jewish lawyer. You can’t look at scripture through your tradition of anti Catholicism. You must see it through the mind of a first century Jewish convert. Gentiles baptized into the church knew virtually nothing about Mosaic Law and Paul wrote with his understanding of Mosaic law in his mind. Protestantism fell into the same errors as the early Gentiles and Luther would but the early Gentiles, they had the church to guide them. "Read Luther's work against "The Mass and the Ordination of Priests," (Erl. 31, 311 ff.) where he tells of his famous disputation with the "father of lies" who accosted him "at midnight" and spoke to him with "a deep, powerful voice," causing "the sweat to break forth" from his brow and his "heart to tremble and beat." In that celebrated conference, of which he was an unexceptional witness and about which he never entertained the slightest doubt, he says plainly and unmistakingly that "the devil spoke against the Mass, and Mary and the Saints" and that, moreover, "Satan gave him the most unqualified approval of his doctrine of justification by faith alone." Who now, we ask in all sincerity, can be found, except those appallingly blind to truth, to accept such a man, approved by the enemy of souls, as a spiritual teacher and entrust to his guidance their eternal welfare?" Father Patrick Ohare      The Incredible Catholic Mass These errors led to Protestantism separating from truly being Bible believing Christians because It separated them from obedience to the faith of the narrow road of transforming grace in the religion and ritual of the New Covenant. The first legislation of Mosaic Law is the Ten Commandments which are fulfilled in the prophecy fulfilled of the grace given freely of the laws w ritten on our hearts. “I will write my laws on their hearts.” These have been raised to conscience through the love of Christs gift of going to the cross. Laws on stone raised to holiness of conscience 21You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment. 22But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. Law of conscience 27You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. 28But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart. Law of conscience 4Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil; 6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth with the truth; 7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. We are saved through conscience and faith. So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin. James 4:17 The second legislation of Mosaic Law was g iven to the Jews as the curse of the law for worshipping the Golden Calf. This is the entire Torah minus the Commandments. In scripture it is referred to as law of works. It is primarily expressed as ceremonial law. Due to this failure of exegesis Luther created in not discerning the different aspects of law,?people began to separate from the narrow road of transforming grace of the religion and ritual of the New Covenant Jesus put in place through an agonizing death on the cross. Peter explained that there are some things in Paul’s letters that are hard to understand and can lead to peoples destruction. Protestantism fell into this and the error became Protestant tradition. When Paul is referring to faith as opposed to works he is not talking about works of charity which James says is required. He is not talking about the Ten Commandments, he is not talking about the religion and ritual of the New Covenant which millions have separated from due to this diabolical deception, he is talking about the second legislation of Mosaic Law which was the boast of the baptized Pharisees. Due to this error Protestantism falsely sees sacraments as works. Sacraments are not works, they are gifts , they are grace given freely. The Ten Commandments are not works, sacrificing bulls and goats, Jewish ritual washings, solemnities and feast days of Jewish law are the LAW OF WORKS. I can't emphasize this enough. The failure of Protestantism to understand this has separated millions and millions of people from the religion and ritual of the New Covenant that God established as our process of transforming grace through humility, obedience, and a focus on what is holy. To return our souls to the state of being before the fall of Adam and Eve. There is no salvation without a focus on holiness. From disobedience Do not partake of the fruit. To obedience. Obey your prelates who have the rule over you for they watch over your souls. From ego. You will not die you will be as gods. ( false worth separate from God) To humility in abandonment to the word of God. My flesh is true food. Where is then thy boasting? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? ( The second legislation of mosaic law, the curse of the law given for worshipping the golden calf is literally the law of WORKS. ) No, but by the law of faith. Rm 3:27 The law of faith is living the New Covenant including the religion and ritual of the New Covenant in obedience to the faith. This is the narrow road and wide is the road that leads to destruction! By whom we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith, in all nations, for his name; Rm 1:5 This is why I left you in Crete, that you ordain priests in every city as I have ordained you. Titus 1:5 8For by grace you are saved ( I will write my laws on their hearts. Baptism and all of the sacraments are grace given freely) through faith, ( Obedience to the faith in a covenant with God. This is my blood of the New Covenant, DO THIS ) and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; 9Not of works, that no man may glory. ( Not of the Second Legislation baptized Pharisees were boasting about) 10For we are hi s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in (((good works, )))which God hath prepared that we should walk in them. Eph 2 Follow peace with all men, and holiness: without which no man shall see God Hb 12:14 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mt 7:21 We find reference to the second legislation in the Didascalia written or added to, around 230 A.D. Many of the ancient documents are h ard to date because of additions written at a latter dates. “Him they denied and said : We have no God to go before us; and they made them a molten calf and worshipped it [Ex 32.1, 8] and sacrificed to a graven image. Therefore, the Lord was angry; and in His hot anger -- (yet) with the mercy of His goodness -- He bound them with the Second Legislation, and laid heavy burdens upon them, and a hard yoke (p. 109) upon their neck. And He says now no longer: If thou shalt make [cf. Ex 20.24-25; Dt 27.5-6], as formerly; but He said: 'Make an altar, and sacrifice continually' as though He had need of these things. Wherefore He laid upon them continual burnt offerings with a necessity, and caused them to abstain from meats by means of distinctions of meats. For from that time were animals discerned, and clean and unclean flesh; from that time were separations, and purifications, and baptisms, and sprinklings; from that time were sacrifices, and offerings, and tables; from that time were burnt offerings, and oblations, and shewbread, and the offering up of sacrifices, and firstlings, and redemptions, and he-goats for sin, and vows, and many other things marvellous. For because of manifold sins there were laid upon them customs unspeakable; but by none of them did they abide, but they again provoked the Lord… For the Second Legislation was imposed for the making of the calf and for idolatry. But you through baptism have been s et free from idolatry, and from the Second Legislation, which was (imposed) on account of idols, you have been released. For in the Gospel (p. 110) He renewed and fulfilled and affirmed the Law; but the Second Legislation He did away and abolished.[1] The gospel “affirmed” the law of unconditional love, and released the Jews from the second legislation through the cross by way of baptism Into the flesh of Christ, Gods church, the promise of Abraham fulfilled.

Peter is a pebble so they say. Peter is only another apostle so they pray. But the church is prophesied to be the Mountain of the Lord. But the church is exclaimed by James to be the Kingdom of David, restored! Paul tells us we have come to Mount Zion to the New Jerusalem which was prophecies of many years ago. But in this Kingdom for as long as it live, authority it must show. For a Kingdom is not a Kingdom unless it has a King and an ambassador to take his place. When he has journeyed from the Kingdom, when we do not see his flesh, his face. From the beginning the majesty of the Kingdom was so. To the ambassador Aliacim the authority of the keys did flow. For Aliacim was given even the Kings robes to share. He was called Father from whic h pope is derived, he took his very chair. For Aliacim sat and ruled in the Kings home, until the King was prepared to return to the throne. So God would not give the keys to a pebble as you bate. God would give the keys to one he gave his robe, one through the Holy Spirit he makes first rate. A pebble will not feed the sheep. A pebble will not row out the boat the church in waters so deep. A pebble will not lift the nets beyond one man. A pebble will not declare the Christ, through the church, we now understand. A pebble will not be the strength of his brothers . A pebble can not be supported by the spiritual rock above all the others. For blessed Peter could no t be a pebble you see. He was named Rock truly before the beginning to be. For God for knew what was to be and placed what was fulfilled in the types you see. A Kingdom fulfilled has a King on a throne, a Kingdom fulfilled has the ambassador in the Kings home. Through the keys given by God the ambassador is chose, To rule the Kingdom until our days at a close. Not a pebble can keep this stand but a man guided by God who wears the robes of the king. A man who takes the Kings hand.

We debuted our Blogtalk Radio program and thought it might be a good time to update you on it's progress. To date, we have 32 published episodes with more on deck. The following are fixed time slots: Tuesday, 7:00 PM Eastern- The Tangled Mess with Deb Rojas Thursday, 7:00 PM Eastern- Uncounseling with Dr. Fred Boley. Friday, 7:00 PM Eastern (resuming May 12) The Luke Haskell show Saturday, 6:00 AM Eastern (starting May 13th) The burnt toast and coffee show with William Hemsworth. Though we have been doing shows nearly every day, the others have been more fluid at this point. Our top 5 most popular shows so far, have been as follows: 5. The Double header show of April 25th, 2023- Bryan Mercier of Catholic Truth, Deb Rojas- The Tangled Mess Link 4. The Tangled Mess with Deb Rojas- May 11th. Link 3. Uncounseling with Dr. Fred Boley - May 20th Link 2. Luke Haskell as guest on The 4 Persons show- April 12th Link 1. Doubleheader 4 Persons show with Lisa Marie Nichole and Catholicism Rocks- April 29th Link We truly hope for your continued support.

A blast from the past debate I did with John Pistes. I feel like I won it hands down and I think I did a fair job in the production end too. Enjoy!

"Understanding comes from understanding Gods covenants with man and how those covenants are fulfilled." Irenaeus Do you know what the promise is? Do you have enough faith to believe the promise? Do you want to deny the promise in order not to live in " obedience to the faith " of the New Covenant? Paul says spiritual things need to be spiritually examined and the sensual man perceive not these things. To those living in the New Covenant he says, “ we have the mind of Christ." The promise comes through baptism? An entirely new people of God from infant to old age. Modern Protestantism looks at salvation through an individualistic manner, while Catholics and Jews see a family relationship with God. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit present at baptism? If you say no then are you calling God a liar? Unless you are born again of water and spirit. You shall not enter the ( Kingdom of God) promise? Repent and be baptized for for the remission of your sins for the ((( promise))) is for you and for your children. Do our children enter the promise through baptism? so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the (((promises))). (Hb 6:12) The promise is inherited. Remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of (((promise))), having no hope and without God in the world. ( Eph 2:12) And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to (((promise))). ( Gal 3:29) All these died in faith, without receiving the (((promises))), but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth ( Hb 11:13) And being fully assured that what God had (((promised))), He was able also to perform. ( Rm 4:21) But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better (((promises))). ( Hb 8:9) ‘Behold, days are coming,’ declares the Lord, ‘when I will fulfill the good word which I have spoken concerning the house of Israel and the house of Judah ( Jer 33:14) The promise is a totally new people of God regenerated in baptism in which they die to the Old man of flesh in original sin and rise as spiritual beings in Christ Jesus. Only God can see the soul. Only God knows how entering the promise changes the soul. And you are filled in him, who is the head of all principality and power: 11In whom also you are circumcised ((( the sign of the promise)))with circumcision not made by hand, in despoiling of the body of the flesh, but in the circumcision of Christ: 12Buried with him in baptism, ((( entrance into the promise fulfilled))) in whom also you are risen again by the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him up from the dead. 13And you, when you were dead in your sins, and the uncircumcision of your flesh; he hath quickened together with him, forgiving you all offences: 14Blotting out the handwriting of the decree that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he hath taken the same out of the way, fastening it to the cross: ( Col 2:10) Through baptism we become descendents of Issac. A new people who have been regenerated through the blood of the Lamb. 6Not as though the word of God hath miscarried. For all are not Israelites that are of Israel: 7Neither are all they that are the seed of Abraham, children; but in Isaac shall thy seed be called: 8That is to say, not they that are the children of the flesh, are the children of God; but they, that are the children of the (((promise))), are accounted for the seed. 9For this is the word of promise: ( Rm 9:6) The church is Israel. The church is the bride. The church is the flesh of Christ. Saul why do you persecute me. This is an entire new people who are regenerated through the Holy Spirit by baptism. Douay-Rheims Bible Not by the works of justice, which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us, by the laver of regeneration, and renovation of the Holy Ghost; English Revised Version not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost, Not by our own works do we enter the family of God and become partakers of divine nature giving us access into the mystical body of Christ which we share with the hosts of heaven in the Holies and Holy of Holies, but through the grace given freely of baptism which is the true laver before the veil and washing of regeneration. A new and living way, through the veil which is His flesh. Washed in the Laver before entering the veil. This is what being born again was from the beginning of Christianity. Dying to the Old man and rising in the new and partaking of divine nature. 3As all things of his divine power which appertain to life and godliness, are given us, through the knowledge of him who hath called us by his own proper glory and virtue. 4By whom he hath given us most great and precious (((promises))): that by these you may be made partakers of the divine nature ( 2 Peter 1:3) Partakers of divine nature so as the chosen people, the holy nation, the Royal Priesthood, through our one mediator and head of the body, we can offer the true Passover for the sins of the world in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist to the Father. 4Unto whom coming, as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen and made honourable by God: 5Be you also as living stones built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. ( 1 Peter 2:4) For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. ( 1 Cor 11:26) This is the Holy Mass inside the divine nature of God where heaven and earth unites. You are a chosen people a holy nation a Royal Priesthood. 18For you are not come to a mountain that might be touched, and a burning fire, and a whirlwind, and darkness, and storm, 19And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words, which they that heard excused themselves, that the word might not be spoken to them: 20For they did not endure that which was said: And if so much as a beast shall touch the mount, it shall be stoned. 21And so terrible was that which was seen, Moses said: I am frighted, and tremble. 22But you are come to mount Sion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to the company of many thousands of angels, 23And to the church of the firstborn, who are written in the heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the just made perfect, 24And to Jesus the mediator of the new testament, and to the sprinkling of blood which speaketh better than that of Abel. 25See that you refuse him not that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spoke upon the earth, much more shall not we, that turn away from him that speaketh to us from heaven. 26Whose voice then moved the earth; but now he promiseth, saying: Yet once more, and I will move not only the earth, but heaven also. “When a Jew is willing to take such a cross as this as the price of his conversion, he makes his momentous break with the past only from rock-like conviction that he is doing what God wishes him to do, and he is able to do it only by the power of God. This is clear in Zolli's case, from his defense of his decision. When the good rabbi was asked why he had given up the synagogue for the Church, he gave an answer that showed he had a keen understanding of his present position: "But I have not given it up. Christianity is the integration of the synagogue. The synagogue was a (((promise))), and Christianity is the fulfillment of that (((promise))). The synagogue pointed to Christianity: Christianity presupposes the synagogue. So you see, one cannot exist without the other. What I converted to was the living Christianity."

Why sola scriptura makes no sense. First off it makes no sense because the Bible is not a complete and articulate protocol on the church that God created. This is obvious because even during apostolic times members of the church were having trouble with Paul’s letters. Peter tells us that Paul’s letters were hard to understand when he talked about salvation. This was so detrimental that Peter emphasized that the unlearned and the unwise read them to their own destruction as they do the rest of the scriptures. They needed to be instructed by the authority of the church in what Paul truly tried to convey. If Paul was trying to write complete doctrines of faith in his letters then he would have been seen to be doing a lousy job. If he was writing to people he lived with up to three years, establishing churches with Bishops, priests and deacons who would baptize, teaching them the narrow road of the sacramental life in obedience to the faith ( which he did) then his epistles would look more reasonable. He is writing to those he called to obedience to the faith in the sacramental life as our " way" of transforming grace. The " way" was not a name for the church but was a practice of faith as tools against our fallen nature. Who was predestinated the Son of God in power, according to the spirit of sanctification, by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead: 5By whom we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith, in all nations, for his name Rm 1:4 And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers Acts 2:42 One doctrine of faith and the Holy Mass. Paul would have been doing a lousy job of establishing complete doctrines because of the rhetorical nature of the epistles. Assuming those he is writing to already have a basic understanding. The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord ? 1 Cor 10:16 Behold Israel according to the flesh: are not they, that eat of the sacrifices, partakers of the altar ? 1 Cor 10:18 We have an altar, whereof they have no power to eat who serve the tabernacle. Heb 13:10 For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come 1 Cor 11:26 The one thing that is often overlooked is the fact that the gospels and epistles were written during a time of persecution. During persecution people become very cautious and secretive. The symbol of the fish was used to identify who was Christian. A Christian in order to identify another Christian would make an arch with his foot on the ground. The other Christian standing in front of him would do the same completing the sign of the fish meaning Jesus Christ Lord and Savior. Tertullian, in his treatise On Baptism, makes a pun on the word, writing that "we, little fishes, after the example of our ΙΧΘΥΣ Jesus Christ, are born in water." It was God who was the one who told the members of the church to be cautious. “Do not give what is Holy to the dogs do not cast your pearls before the swine or they will tear you.” The apostles who were first Jews understood what Christ was saying. What was sacrificed on the altars was sacred and dogs were seen then as vile creatures that ran in packs. Swine have no use for pearls and in giving the deeper mysteries, the pearls of incredible value to those who have not come to develop the faith and love needed to understand them you risk having them turn on you. The same has happened to the church for 2000 years. This is why Catholic RCIA starts with very basic theology. "That which is holy.—The words point to the flesh which has been offered for sacrifice, the “holy thing” of Leviticus 22:6-7; Leviticus 22:10;Leviticus 22:16, of which no un clean person or stranger, and à fortiori no unclean beast, was to eat. To give that holy flesh to dogs would have seemed to the devout Israelite the greatest of all profanations." Unclean is fulfilled in unbaptized. Clean refers to baptism into Gods church which the disciples of the apostles referred to as among other things regeneration through the true bronze laver. In Titus 3 Paul says we are saved by the laver which was in front of the Holies the veil which represents the flesh of Christ and the church, Christ's bride. The flesh is washed the flesh is sanctified. The earliest reference to this phrase " do not give what is holy to the dogs." Is found in the Catholic Churches proto catechism written while some of the apostles were still alive. Didache Chapter 9. The Thanksgiving (Eucharist) Now concerning the Thanksgiving (Eucharist), thus give thanks. First, concerning the cup: We thank you, our Father, for the holy vine of David Your servant, which You made known to us through Jesus Your Servant; to You be the glory for ever. And concerning the broken bread: We thank You, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You made known to us through Jesus Your Servant; to You be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Your Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Your kingdom; for Yours is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever. But let no one eat or drink of your Thanksgiving (Eucharist), but they who have been baptized into the name of the Lord; for concerning this also the Lord has said, Give not that which is holy to the dogs. Matthew 7:6 Jude in his epistle told us that there were people who secretly entered into the church in order to destroy it. He said that they have derided majesty and gone in the way of Core and have fallen into the error of Balaam. Core and his people challenged the authority of Moses and the earth opened up revealing a chasm of fire that swallowed all of them. God did not take kindly to those who challenged the authority he sanctioned. Every time Balaam tried to curse the people of Israel God miraculously made him bless them instead. In Acts 15 we read that Baptized Pharisees were trying to exert their power on the church and trying to make Gentile converts follow Mosaic Law. Peter declared that we are all saved by grace and don’t need to be responsible for Mosaic Law. ( The prophecy fulfilled of the law written on our hearts is grace given freely. The gifts of the sacraments are grace given freely...) The church had to be very cautious and even separated the Holy Mass which is the heavenly Reality of the true Passover for the general redemption of the world into two parts this was done through the influence of the synagogue and how the scriptures were read but it was also done due to the sacredness of the Eucharist so that those who have not been completely tried and found worthy would (Casting pearls to the swine) not be able to use the deeper mysteries against them and tear them. This became the liturgy of the word and the liturgy of the Eucharist. After readings from the Old Testament and later the new also, those who were not yet baptized into the church and professed loyalty to the faith which later became the creed, were required to leave before the liturgy of the Eucharist. The Our Father which included the prayer of giving us this day are super-substantial bread (Eucharist) was said during the liturgy of the Eucharist. For hundreds of years the Mass was simply known as the mysteries. Paul tells us “Consider us as the dispensers of the mysteries of God .” Paul was a priest who dedicated himself to the Doctrine and the breaking of the bread and the prayers. In History of the World by Cambridge Publishing, we get a little insight into what the results were when people reported to Roman authorities who had no understanding of what the Christians were doing. It says that the Christians were known as magicians and cannibals because they said they ate their God. Paul gives us more insight on this dilemma when he says “I fed you with milk because you are not ready for meat”, and when he explains that the apostles did not teach a wisdom of this world but a spiritual mystery that the sensual man or those who think with the mind of the flesh cannot comprehend; he was talking about the deeper mysteries of the faith. The apostles believed that the church was the fulfillment of the promise that the Kingdom of David would last forever. This is why when writing to the Jewish converts they show the genealogy of Christ going back to David. This is why Christ gives Peter the symbolic keys (Isaiah 22) that in addition of having the power of binding and loosening in Gods kingdom also according to Jewish tradition gave the authority of divine interpretation of the holy books. “Whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven, or already bound in heaven because heaven is outside of the concept of time and the Holy Spirit would guide the church to all truth and would never leave the church orphan. Paul even tells us that the church would teach the angels. Paul goes further by telling us in Hebrews 12 that we have come to Mount Zion and to the New Jerusalem. Mount Zion is the mystical mountain of the Lord that everyone will go to in order to learn the ways of God. Jesus would never have given Peter the keys of binding and loosing if he was not reestablishing the kingdom of David in its sacramental nature. " I have not come to destroy the law but to fulfill the law." When Paul in Hebrews 9 begins to explain the mysteries of the meeting tent saying that everything about it is shadows of heavenly realities that require much greater sacrifices then the Old Covenant sacrifices provided, he stops and says, “Of this it is not now needful to explain in detail.” This is a death blow to sola scriptura. Nowhere else in scripture does Paul explain the mystery. So obviously he told someone. It was passed down in tradition. “Hold fast to the traditions oral and written”. If it is oral then it is not going to be found in scripture which is written.  If you read the New Testament as if the words were first directed to yourself you will never understand the mysteries of faith. Paul’s letters are letters to people who had already been instructed in the basics of the faith and in other cases those who have been let into the deeper mysteries. They are written to those who were participating in the seven sacraments all of which are in scripture. They are all in the context of being written to those who were inside the church this is why he says it is his duty to bring about “Obedience to the faith.” They are written to those whom he has already visited so he did not need to re-hash every aspect of the faith that was deposited into the church which God calls the pillar and foundation of truth. I can't emphasize this enough. The letters are written to those who have been baptized and anointed into the church and have professed that they renounce Satan. They understood that saving grace was baptism which removed all active sin and the punishment for that active sin and the hereditary sin placed on the soul by our first parents falling to Satan, so when Paul says you are saved by grace freely given, they understood this free gift to be baptism which destroys the original sin that kept us from all possibility of entering heaven and redeemed us in Christ. In Galatians 3 Paul explains that we are made heirs to the promise of Abraham because we have been baptized into Christ Jesus. What makes us Heirs? Baptism into Christ Jesus. Peter says Baptism is salvific. “Baptism now saves you”. To believe in Christ is to believe in his entire message and the church that he created which is his mystical body perpetuated through time by the sacraments. The original disciples developed faith thorough Gods grace then through grace they were washed in the blood of the lamb through baptism which is the mystical water and blood that flows from the side of the true Adam through the sign of the cross. We entered Gods mystical body living in the grace the sacraments provide. The sacraments help us stay in a state of Righteous that is lost in sin which corrupts the body and separates us from God. After going to confession knowing that after confessing with a contrite heart that you were free of sin, would you not focus on not trying to sin again? Every contrite confession is being born again. After experiencing the Love of Christ through the ultimate act of Humility in the Eucharist are you not more prone to spread that love in humility as flesh of his flesh and blood of his blood? We walk by faith not by sight. The apostles and early Christians hid from persecutors in the catacombs and in the catacombs wrote and depicted on the walls images of the mysteries of their faith and said Mass both in the catacombs and in private homes. These images in the catacombs included a three legged table which signified the mystery of the Holy Mass. A table is always referenced as an altar. Paul tells us that “WE have an altar at which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat of. “Behold Israel according to the flesh are not those who offer the sacrifices partakers of the altar?” The Jews sacrificed the animals to God and the priests ate the sacrifices. The Christians had a sacrifice in which they also partook of the altar. Also on the walls in the catacombs is the image of the loaves and fishes. From the beginning of Christianity this symbolized the mystical body of Christ and feeding as many as needed through the sacrament of the Eucharist. And of course some of the earliest painted images are images of Jesus and Mary and the history of the church tells us that from the earliest days of Christianity the Gentile converts were making statues of Jesus, Mary and the apostles in order to show veneration of our spiritual family and the heroes of righteousness who have won the race. From the earliest records of Christianity we hear of the common practice of making the sign of the cross which is not in scripture but passed down in oral tradition. Tertullian (d. ca. 250) described the commonness of the sign of the cross: "In all our travels and movements, in all our coming in and going out, in putting on our shoes, at the bath, at the table, in lighting our candles, in lying down, in sitting down, whatever employment occupies us, we mark our foreheads with the sign of the cross" (De corona, 30). St. Cyril of Jerusalem (d. 386) in his Catechetical Lectures stated, "Let us then not be ashamed to confess the Crucified. Be the cross our seal, made with boldness by our fingers on our brow and in everything; over the bread we eat and the cups we drink, in our comings and in our goings out; before our sleep, when we lie down and when we awake; when we are traveling, and when we are at rest" The Fathers wrote that the process of the Mass and how the sacraments are administered was passed down by the apostles through oral tradition. Peter even gave a code name for his location when he wrote from Rome as Babylon. There were three popes before the last book of the bible was even written. You do not expose the King nor the Queen on the chess board.  Therefore Luke who was in the presence of Mary and who even painted pictures of her, secretly encrypted in his gospel the mystery of Mary as the true ark of the covenant and John who was her caretaker also followed suit in the Apocalypse. The image is both the church and the woman who gave birth to the church by giving birth to Christ. The church is the flesh of Christ, the veil between the Father and the sins of the world which Satan will always try to destroy, shame, hide and confuse until the end of time. This is why the Fathers called Mary the Mother of our religion. The disciples of the apostles taught that Satan created paganism in order to accomplish this task. What did he create Isis and Semiramis for? As early as 150AD we hear from the church at Gaul (Eusebius History of the church Book V) That Mary was an eternal virgin, that she was in heaven and that she was our spiritual Mother. AS early as 200 AD Origen wrote that in order to truly understand the mysteries of the book of John (The wedding Feast of the Lamb, The Holy Mass) you have to have Mary as your mother. God calls the church the pillar and foundation of truth and says that if they do not listen to the church that they should be treated as heathens and publicans, why? Because whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven. What the church teaches is what has been sanctioned as Gods truth. The truth cannot be understood without Gods guidance and both the written word and the oral tradition combined. This is secured through the sacraments which makes the church Gods mystical body.  Paul says “The cup of benediction that we bless is it not participation in the blood of Christ?” Does scripture explain how that cup is blessed, who is allowed to partake of that cup? Concerning the teachings of the Church, whether publicly proclaimed (kerygmata) or reserved to members of the household of faith (dogmata), we have received some from written sources, while others have been given to us secretly, through apostolic tradition. Both sources have equal force in true religion. No one would deny either source—no one, at any rate, who is even slightly familiar with the ordinances of the Church. If we attacked unwritten customs, claiming them to be of little importance, we would fatally mutilate the Gospel. St Basil On the Holy Spirit tract 66 TRADITIONS OF THE CHURCH “Is anyone sick among you call for the priest and he will anoint you with oil.” Does scripture explain what oil is used and how it is applied and which prayers are said? In Paul’s letter to Titus we read: “To Titus my beloved son, according to the common faith, grace and peace from God the Father, and from Christ Jesus our Saviour.5 For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee: Does Paul explain the process of ordination what one who is to become a priest should know before hand? Tertullian tells us that Clement the third bishop of Rome (Who is also in scripture) was ordained by Peter. What was the process of ordination? One of the objections heard most is the objection that the Catholic Church teaches traditions of man. “ I go straight to Christ in the scripture”. Actually what is right is wrong what is up is down. What is the same between protestants and Catholics goes back to the apostles, what is different only goes back 500 years to the reformation, this is why protestants have to deny the church of the disciples of the apostles in order to believe what is comfortable to believe. If you do not seek the truth and only seek to be right then you will never find truth. If you can go straight to Christ in the scripture then their would not be thousands different denominations and counting all claiming to be the Bible church. Luther was amazed at how fast the church began to splinter as soon as they took on his doctrine of sola fide and sola scripture which was completely foreign to the early church. From the beginning those who were taught by the apostles taught that if you did not have the oral tradition passed on by the church and were not secured through apostolic succession then the truth was impossible to obtain. Christ put down tradition Paul supported tradition. The bible can not contradict itself so the only logical conclusion is that Christ and Paul are talking about two different types of tradition. The same applies to justification. Paul says Abraham was not justified by works James says Abraham was justified by works and calls those fools who think otherwise. Abraham was not justified by works of mosaic law but he was justified through faith and love expressed in doing the will of God. But you may say the bible is sufficient because Paul tells Timothy: “All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.”  Who is Timothy? “To Timothy my dearly beloved son, grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from Christ Jesus our Lord.” Timothy is a son in Christ to Paul because he brought him up in the faith, teaching him the faith then  ordained him. The City of God on a hill that cannot be hidden brings forth instruction in Gods ways. How can one preach unless he is sent? They are sent by the reestablished kingdom of David. Paul says, " Obey your prelates who have the rule over you for they watch over your souls." Obviously Paul is referring to a select group of prelates/bishops, overseers. The same Paul who said, that the manifold wisdom of God would be known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church." So Paul is not telling people to obey every pastor of every denomination but obey those who are sent. Those who come from the reestablished kingdom of David only.

In the process of separation from the Catholic Church was a need to look at scripture from a more literalist perspective when a literal perspective is more reasonable and visa versa. Literalist focus on just the words. "All scripture is inspired by God." Literal which is the more encompassing honest approach takes into account the author, the faith religion and ritual he lives, who he is talking to? What do we know about the person he is talking to? What is the objective of the text? How did the early church see the text? Does he live the same religion and ritual as the writer etc etc. Or, all of the evidence you can obtain. Was Timothy a bishop of Ephesus ( a man of God) brought up as a son in the faith by Paul? Did he fully know Paul’s doctrine which is the churches doctrine? Was he baptized into the promise of Abraham fulfilled as a member of the chosen people, the holy nation, the Royal Priesthood the family of God divinized through baptism , who keeps this commandment of God until the end of time? "For as often as you shall eat this bread and drink this cup you shall show the death of the Lord until He comes again." Was Timothy a member of the church that had its first council at Jerusalem where James explained that the kingdom of David had been reestablished in the church? Was Timothy like Paul, a dispenser of the sacraments? Paul says, "consider us as dispensers of the mysteries of God." From mystery we get: Mystery, mysterion, sacramentum, sacrament. Irenaeus said, all of the apostles were priests. Consider us priests as dispensers of the sacraments of Christ? Did Timothy ordain priests of the one Lord ,one faith, one doctrine, one breaking of the bread and the prayers, as Paul told Titus to do? This is why I left you in Crete, that you ordain priests in every city as I have appointed you. Titus 1:5 DRB priest (n.) Middle English prēst, "cleric ranking below a bishop and above a deacon, a parish priest," from Old English preost, which probably was shortened from the older Germanic form represented by Old Saxon and Old High German prestar, Old Frisian prestere, all from Vulgar Latin *prester "priest," from Late Latin presbyter "presbyter, elder," from Greek presbyteros "elder (of two), old, venerable," comparative of presbys "old Liturgy of the Blessed Apostles The Priest says this secret prayer in the sanctuary: O Lord God Omnipotent, Thine is the Holy Catholic Church, inasmuch as Thou, through the great passion of Thy Christ, didst buy the sheep of Thy pasture; and from the grace of the Holy Spirit, who is indeed of one nature with Thy glorious divinity, are granted the degrees of the true priestly ordination (6 [A.D. 200]). So Timothy, a Bishop of Ephesus who fully knew Paul’s doctrine which is the churches doctrine ( How can one preach less he be sent?) Timothy who is a dispenser of the sacraments, will use the God breathed scriptures for study and reproof of the priests and laity under his direction as bishops of the Catholic church have done for 2000 years. That the manifold wisdom of God may be made known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church. Eph 3:10 To Him be glory in the church through all generations. Eph 3:21